Seattle Film Works Process SFW-XL

[djs]

I hate to admit it, but I founds four rolls of exposed file with
Process: SFW-SL on the canister. Where does a person send these to get
them developed? I searched several photograph news groups but there is
very little information that isn't over 6 years old.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Some advice that I find says the film is old movei film. Others have
stated that it is C-41.
The local labs won't touch it. What is a person to do to get these
rolls developed?

Thanks in advance,
djs

[Bill Tuthill]

Post by djs
I hate to admit it, but I founds four rolls of exposed file with
Process: SFW-SL on the canister.

My advice is to just toss them out. Exposed film degrades rapidly
and the images will probably not be very good.

Post by djs
Where does a person send these to get
them developed? I searched several photograph news groups but there is
very little information that isn't over 6 years old.

Seattle FilmWorks changed their name to PhotoWorks more then 5 years ago.
I bet they will process it for you. www.photoworks.com

Post by djs
Some advice that I find says the film is old movei film. Others have
stated that it is C-41. The local labs won't touch it.

And for good reason. If it is movie film, it will pollute their line.

[G- Blank]

Post by Bill Tuthill

Post by djs
I hate to admit it, but I founds four rolls of exposed file with
Process: SFW-SL on the canister.

My advice is to just toss them out. Exposed film degrades rapidly
and the images will probably not be very good.

Rapidly? I have seen film developed after forty years that still has
a latent image YMMV.

Post by Bill Tuthill

Post by djs
Where does a person send these to get
them developed? I searched several photograph news groups but there is
very little information that isn't over 6 years old.

Seattle FilmWorks changed their name to PhotoWorks more then 5 years ago.
I bet they will process it for you. www.photoworks.com

Post by djs
Some advice that I find says the film is old movei film. Others have
stated that it is C-41. The local labs won't touch it.

And for good reason. If it is movie film, it will pollute their line.

Yes it produces goo when run through regular C41 lines
and coats all rollers and racks with stuff that is very hard to clean
off.

[e***@no.spam]

Post by G- Blank
Yes it produces goo when run through regular C41 lines

Didn't SFW stop using that movie film long ago?

[G- Blank]

Post by e***@no.spam

Post by G- Blank
Yes it produces goo when run through regular C41 lines

Didn't SFW stop using that movie film long ago?

Could be, I haven't seen any of their stuff recently
so I was speaking with regard to my memory.

[Bill Tuthill]

Post by e***@no.spam

Yes [movie film] produces goo when run through regular C41 lines

Didn't SFW stop using that movie film long ago?

Yes they did, but after they switched to Agfa C-41 film,
they still didn't print "C-41" on the cassettes, so you had to
send the film back to them for processing, anyway.

Post by e***@no.spam

My advice is to just toss them out. Exposed film degrades rapidly
and the images will probably not be very good.

Rapidly? I have seen film developed after forty years that still has
a latent image YMMV.

Color film? I didn't know they even made color film 40 years ago.
I once left an exposed roll of Supra 800 for just one year, and
the images printed from it were totally unacceptable.

[G- Blank]

Post by Bill Tuthill
Color film? I didn't know they even made color film 40 years ago.
I once left an exposed roll of Supra 800 for just one year, and
the images printed from it were totally unacceptable.

You made the blanket statement. The next question is what did the
negative look like? I have kept slide films up to a year with no
adverse affects, it may depend on where one stores the film.

[Bill Tuthill]

Post by G- Blank

Post by Bill Tuthill
Color film? I didn't know they even made color film 40 years ago.

Sorry, I forgot to put the irony indicator into my post: <irony> or ;-)

But while I'm mentioning it, most color films of the 1950-60s (except
Kodachrome of course) were much less archival than those of today.

Post by G- Blank

Post by Bill Tuthill
I once left an exposed roll of Supra 800 for just one year, and
the images printed from it were totally unacceptable.

You made the blanket statement. The next question is what did the
negative look like? I have kept slide films up to a year with no
adverse affects, it may depend on where one stores the film.

The negatives were awful as well, judging by HP Photosmart scans.
I'm telling ya, "Process Promptly" like it says on the box.

[N***@NOSPAM.com]

Post by Bill Tuthill

Post by Bill Tuthill
Color film? I didn't know they even made color film 40 years ago.

Sorry, I forgot to put the irony indicator into my post: <irony> or ;-)
But while I'm mentioning it, most color films of the 1950-60s (except
Kodachrome of course) were much less archival than those of today.

There are a lot of variables here, storage being the main concern. I have
seen good results from films over 20 years old. How they were stored I
can't tell you but it is not always a loss or worthless effort.

[Michael Weinstein]

Post by Bill Tuthill

Post by e***@no.spam

Yes [movie film] produces goo when run through regular C41 lines

Didn't SFW stop using that movie film long ago?

Yes they did, but after they switched to Agfa C-41 film,
they still didn't print "C-41" on the cassettes, so you had to
send the film back to them for processing, anyway.

Post by e***@no.spam

My advice is to just toss them out. Exposed film degrades rapidly
and the images will probably not be very good.

Rapidly? I have seen film developed after forty years that still has
a latent image YMMV.

Color film? I didn't know they even made color film 40 years ago.
I once left an exposed roll of Supra 800 for just one year, and
the images printed from it were totally unacceptable.

You must be kidding! I was just looking at my dad's old Kodachrome
movies from around 1950. Kodachrome was introduced in about 1935. Color
film is far older than 40 years!!

[e***@no.spam]

Post by Bill Tuthill
I didn't know they even made color film 40 years ago.

Ever see the Wizard of Oz?

[Thomas T. Veldhouse]

Post by e***@no.spam

Post by Bill Tuthill
I didn't know they even made color film 40 years ago.

Ever see the Wizard of Oz?

And that was released 67 years ago!

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

(refering to the Wizard of Oz)

Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
And that was released 67 years ago!

The Wizzard of Oz was NOT shot on color film. It was shot using technicolor
which was a monochrome process. There films were shot simultaneously, one
with a red, one with a green and one with a blue filter. They were combined
in printing to give the normal color appearence.

Color film was first produced as Kodachrome in 1935. I'm not sure when
color negative film was first produced, but it was general use in the
late '50s or early '60s.

Geoff.

[Thomas T. Veldhouse]

Post by Geoffrey S. Mendelson
(refering to the Wizard of Oz)

Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
And that was released 67 years ago!

The Wizzard of Oz was NOT shot on color film. It was shot using technicolor
which was a monochrome process. There films were shot simultaneously, one
with a red, one with a green and one with a blue filter. They were combined
in printing to give the normal color appearence.

Perhaps it was not shot in color, but the distributed copies were in
color (they didn't run three projects overlayed together in every
theater).

[Derek Gee]

Post by Geoffrey S. Mendelson
(refering to the Wizard of Oz)

Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
And that was released 67 years ago!

The Wizzard of Oz was NOT shot on color film. It was shot using technicolor
which was a monochrome process. There films were shot simultaneously, one
with a red, one with a green and one with a blue filter. They were combined
in printing to give the normal color appearence.

Listen up, smart ass - TECHNICOLOR is a COLOR process. They used three
special monochrome films (2 panchromatic, 1 orthochromatic) to record the
Red, Blue, and Green records, which were combined in printing to give a full
color image. Note that there were only TWO filters, Magenta and Green, not
three as you stated in your post (see technical diagrams at website below).
The insulting tone of your post implies that "The Wizard of Oz" (note how I
spelled that correctly) was not color, when in fact, it simply wasn't shot
with monopack color film. Stop confusing folks with your semantic bullshit
and drop the attitude.

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/oldcolor/technicolor4.htm

Post by Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Color film was first produced as Kodachrome in 1935. I'm not sure when
color negative film was first produced, but it was general use in the
late '50s or early '60s.
Geoff.

Let's see if we can fill in some blanks here... According to "A Half
Century of Color" by Louis Walton Sipley, 1951, Macmillan Co. ...
Kodachrome first came out as 16mm motion picture film in 1935. In spring of
1936, it came out in 8mm movie film. In Aug. 1936, it was introduced in 35mm
and 828 formats. Color film was produced MUCH earlier than Kodachrome, as
the Lumiere brothers invented Autochrome film in 1903, and were selling it
in 1907!!!!

Go here to see what Autochromes look like:

www.autochrome.com

www.autochrome.org/

Color negative film was introduced in 1941-2 with Kodacolor (George Eastman
House says 1941, Eastman Kodak says 1942 for this film).

Derek

[N***@NOSPAM.com]

Post by Derek Gee

Post by Geoffrey S. Mendelson
(refering to the Wizard of Oz)

Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
And that was released 67 years ago!

The Wizzard of Oz was NOT shot on color film. It was shot using technicolor
which was a monochrome process. There films were shot simultaneously, one
with a red, one with a green and one with a blue filter. They were combined
in printing to give the normal color appearence.

Listen up, smart ass - TECHNICOLOR is a COLOR process. They used three
special monochrome films (2 panchromatic, 1 orthochromatic) to record the
Red, Blue, and Green records, which were combined in printing to give a full
color image. Note that there were only TWO filters, Magenta and Green, not
three as you stated in your post (see technical diagrams at website below).
The insulting tone of your post implies that "The Wizard of Oz" (note how I
spelled that correctly) was not color, when in fact, it simply wasn't shot
with monopack color film. Stop confusing folks with your semantic bullshit
and drop the attitude.
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/oldcolor/technicolor4.htm

Post by Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Color film was first produced as Kodachrome in 1935. I'm not sure when
color negative film was first produced, but it was general use in the
late '50s or early '60s.
Geoff.

Let's see if we can fill in some blanks here... According to "A Half
Century of Color" by Louis Walton Sipley, 1951, Macmillan Co. ...
Kodachrome first came out as 16mm motion picture film in 1935. In spring of
1936, it came out in 8mm movie film. In Aug. 1936, it was introduced in 35mm
and 828 formats. Color film was produced MUCH earlier than Kodachrome, as
the Lumiere brothers invented Autochrome film in 1903, and were selling it
in 1907!!!!
www.autochrome.com
www.autochrome.org/
Color negative film was introduced in 1941-2 with Kodacolor (George Eastman
House says 1941, Eastman Kodak says 1942 for this film).

Please do not confuse people with facts. This has been attempted many
times in the past and is now officially consideredd a waste of time.

[Andrew Price]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:24:44 GMT, "Derek Gee"
<***@twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote:

[---]

Post by Derek Gee
Color negative film was introduced in 1941-2 with Kodacolor (George Eastman
House says 1941, Eastman Kodak says 1942 for this film).

Earlier than that. It was patented by Agfa in 1936, and put on the
market in 1937.

[Derek Gee]

Post by Andrew Price
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:24:44 GMT, "Derek Gee"
[---]

Post by Derek Gee
Color negative film was introduced in 1941-2 with Kodacolor (George Eastman
House says 1941, Eastman Kodak says 1942 for this film).

Earlier than that. It was patented by Agfa in 1936, and put on the
market in 1937.

Found a few more facts... Agfa introduced their Agfacolor-Neu transparency
film in 1936. Their color negative film didn't appear until 1939 - two
years before Kodacolor.

Derek

[Michael Weinstein]

Post by djs
I hate to admit it, but I founds four rolls of exposed file with
Process: SFW-SL on the canister. Where does a person send these to get
them developed? I searched several photograph news groups but there is
very little information that isn't over 6 years old.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Some advice that I find says the film is old movei film. Others have
stated that it is C-41.
The local labs won't touch it. What is a person to do to get these
rolls developed?
Thanks in advance, djs

SFW is now PhotoWorks. They used to respool movie film but for at least
the last 10 years or more their film has been C41. Whichever it is,
Photoworks will develop it for you.

[djs]

Thanks for the info. I found a local lab that said they can handle it.
They send it out somwhere, but they said it takes four weeks. I will
let you all know how it works out. Thanks for the info.
djs

[Rod Smith]

Post by djs
I hate to admit it, but I founds four rolls of exposed file with
Process: SFW-SL on the canister. Where does a person send these to get
them developed?

You posted this separately (multi-posted) to at least two newsgroups. In
the future, please either restrict your post to a single group or
cross-post (put all group names, separated by commas, on the "Newsgroups"
line). Multi-posting wastes bandwidth, makes the message appear multiple
times in the newsreaders of people who read multiple groups to which the
message is posted, and creates two separate discussion threads, which
means people might respond needlessly or be unable to get the benefit from
posts in an unread group.

[Jeremy]

Post by djs
I hate to admit it, but I founds four rolls of exposed file with
Process: SFW-SL on the canister. Where does a person send these to get
them developed? I searched several photograph news groups but there is
very little information that isn't over 6 years old.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Some advice that I find says the film is old movei film.

Check with Dale Labs. They were one of the original Eastmancolor movie film
processors back in the 70s. They list a toll free number on their web site
at www.dalelabs.com.

They're an excellent photofinisher and, if they handle your film type, you
can be assured that they will give you good results.

[Michael Weinstein]

Post by djs
I hate to admit it, but I founds four rolls of exposed file with
Process: SFW-SL on the canister. Where does a person send these to get
them developed? I searched several photograph news groups but there is
very little information that isn't over 6 years old.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Some advice that I find says the film is old movei film. Others have
stated that it is C-41.
The local labs won't touch it. What is a person to do to get these
rolls developed?
Thanks in advance, djs

SFW changed its name some years ago and I think they are still in
business. The SFW film was movie film long long ago but it has been
more than 10 years since they converted to C41. Likely you have C41 but
because they deliberately labeled their film to be confusing so that
you would send it to them for processing, most photofinishers won't
touch any SFW film just in case it MIGHT be the old stock. The other
post I saw recommended Dale and they used to process the old movie
film, so they would probably do your film.

[Bob]

On 13 Feb 2006 17:49:07 -0800, "djs" <***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

|>I hate to admit it, but I founds four rolls of exposed file with
|>Process: SFW-SL on the canister. Where does a person send these to get
|>them developed? I searched several photograph news groups but there is
|>very little information that isn't over 6 years old.
|>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|>
|>Some advice that I find says the film is old movei film. Others have
|>stated that it is C-41.
|>The local labs won't touch it. What is a person to do to get these
|>rolls developed?
|>
|>Thanks in advance,
|>djs

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Post by Bob
|>I hate to admit it, but I founds four rolls of exposed file with
|>Process: SFW-SL on the canister. Where does a person send these to get
|>them developed? I searched several photograph news groups but there is
|>very little information that isn't over 6 years old.
|>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|>
|>Some advice that I find says the film is old movei film. Others have
|>stated that it is C-41.
|>The local labs won't touch it. What is a person to do to get these
|>rolls developed?
|>
|>Thanks in advance,
|>djs
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SFW originally sold respooled movie film and processed it to negative,
as it is supposed to be, and then made prints and also printed on
positive film to provide slides. They were kind of lousy and had to be
developed either by SFW or by Dale or other such companies, because the
jet backing on the movie stock would gunk up commercial processors.
Then SFW started selling regular C41 film and doing the same process,
but they implied it was different so you'd have to go to them for
processing. The downside was that even though ANY commercial processor
could process the film, they were all afraid of it because of the old
days of the movie stock. I THINK what you've got is the newer C41 film,
but cannot be sure. Rocky Mountain photo labs will process it if it's
the movie stock, but at about $35 plus dollars aroll.

[Scott Norwood]

Post by Michael
I THINK what you've got is the newer C41 film,
but cannot be sure. Rocky Mountain photo labs will process it if it's
the movie stock, but at about $35 plus dollars aroll.

What do the perforations look like? If they are "BH" perfs which look like
this
_
(_)

then you definitely have motion-picture camera film.

If they are "KS" perfs that look like this
_
|_|

(same as perfs on standard 35mm still film), then it is not motion-picture
camera stock.

- Scott

[p***@googlemail.com]

There is some good information but also misleading advice in this
thread.

Some SFW-XL is ECN-2 process, some is C-41 by Agfa. The cassettes are
not distinguishable, although the film pots are. Obviously these are
interchangeable so the only way to tell is to examine the film leader
for rem-jet backing. The movie material is also the rounder
Bell&Howell sprockets, the previous post is absolutely correct in this
statement.

Seattle Filmworks got into trouble for all this and paid the price by
losing trust. Orwo had similar problems over here but that was more
to do with accidental customer ignorance (on holidays to E. Europe in
the Communist Bloc days) than marking their cassettes incorrectly.

To be honest even the standard Agfa film is at least 10 years old now
and although certainly recoverable needs quite special attention for
decent results to be obtained.

Photoworks will not process SFW-XL film, they make this clear on their
FAQ. We run these films through in the UK, and have the advantage of
single-roll hand processing and 'economy dev only service' discounts
for US customers stuck with rolls they cannot get processed
elsewhere. Our site is www.processc22.co.uk.

The film can be processed in the USA by DaleLabs (according to
Photoworks) but there was no mention of that or any other ECN-2
service on their website. I don't think Rocky Mountain has an ECN-2
line anymore either, but I do not have confirmation.

Hopefully this information has been useful!

Process C-22

[Michael Benveniste]

Post by p***@googlemail.com
The film can be processed in the USA by DaleLabs (according to
Photoworks) but there was no mention of that or any other ECN-2
service on their website. I don't think Rocky Mountain has an ECN-2
line anymore either, but I do not have confirmation.
Hopefully this information has been useful!

Thank you!

I will occasionally use Fuji Eterna 500T in my still cameras,
which is also ECN2. At least as of a few months ago, Dale
Labs still offered the service, as does "The Camera Shop" in
St. Cloud, MN (http://www.thecamerashop.com).

AandI photo has announced that they will discontinue the
service as of May 31, 2008, but one can still sneak in
under the wire:
http://www.aandi.com/film_pro2.htm